Track To constraint issue

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2023-06-21 at 2:29 pm #64749

David Duperron
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Hi,
I have an issue with a “track to” constraint that does not behave the same in Blender and Verge3D exported gltf.
I added constraints to a “piston” with “track to” constraints in blender, and used the “Target Z” option, together with empty targets in order to avoid my parts flipping around their axis when the whole assembly rotates (when the object local Y axis starts to point downward, the constraint forces it to point upward, and then rotates the whole object around the Z axis).
It works perfectly in blender but for some reason it does not translate in the verge3D world.
Is there a known limitation for these constraints? any way to get around this?
Thanks for the help

David

2023-06-21 at 10:28 pm #64757

xeon
Customer

I believe “Track To” is a legacy constraint and is prone to not working properly as declared in Blender documentation. You may want to try Locked Track.

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2023-06-22 at 1:31 am #64758

kdv
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Just remember that the Blender’s coirdinate system is Z-Up-right, but the Verge3D’s native coordinate system is Y-Up-right…

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2023-06-22 at 8:25 am #64776

David Duperron
Customer

Hi!
Thanks for the answers.
I juste tried the “Locked Track” constraints, whch again works well within Blender but does not in Verge3D…
see capture below:

The x axis of the piston is the “locked axis”, but then when I rotate the crane around its z axis, the piston x axis remains the same and does not rotate together with the crane as it should be…
Any idea?? please help!!

David

2023-06-22 at 3:59 pm #64791

xeon
Customer

Here is a link to a sample file using the “locked to” constraint for a simplified object that might meet your requirements.

Online demo – https://v3d.net/l93

ZIP – Project File including Blend file.
https://cdn.soft8soft.com/AROAJSY2GOEHMOFUVPIOE:f2f27a4091/TEST_LOCK_TO_CONSTRAINT.zip

Drag the sphere around to rotate the objects.

You probably already know but in case others are having issues:
– be sure your “origin” for the object(s) you are wanting to rotate is located at the desired rotation axis point.
– “apply transforms” (position, rotation and scale) to all your objects and to the target object you are tracking. Its not an issue in Blender but it solves many of the problems people have when sending this over to V3D.

In this example: the tracking axis is Y and the locked axis is Z. You could use X as well but Z is the axis that I am rotating around so that is the “locked axis”. Its probably the same in your scene with Z up unless you have changed your coordinate system.

Hope this helps.

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2023-06-22 at 6:01 pm #64795
kdv
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Is it really necessary to use constraints in this case instead of just parenting one object to another one? The “Track to” constraint is mainly used to force one object to look at some other object along its local +Z axis (-Y in Blender) by default. Once again: to look at. Not copying rotation or something else, just looking at.
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2023-06-27 at 9:17 am #64884

David Duperron
Customer

Thanks for the help and demo files, but unfortunately I think my issue is a little more complicated than this… in fatc there are several movements in action there: the crane boom and tips are moving, and the pistons shall follow their respective attachment points on the crane AND point towards each other (piston/cylinder pointing toward each other).
The problem is that when the crane rises almost vertical, the piston Y axis is no more pointing upward (vs World Z axis) but slightly downward, and to keep “Y Up”, Verge3D flips the piston around its Z axis 180degrees…
See illustrations below, in Blender which does not flip the piston and let it point downward.

2023-06-27 at 2:46 pm #64896

xeon
Customer

If you could export the offending parts to a separate blend file and share I will take a look.

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2023-06-27 at 2:48 pm #64897

xeon
Customer

Before you do make sure all the parts have their origin in a good place and scale and rotation are applied

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2024-09-19 at 1:10 pm #77490

David Duperron
Customer

Ho All!
I finally took the time to pack a small demo app that reproduces the issue with the Track To constraint.
You can play the App here:
Track To Issue
You need to raise the lower arm to the maximum (using the blue controllers), and then manipulate the second arm, you will see the issue near the top position and near the lower one: the pistons “flip” around their contrained axis, trying to maintain the Z-axis up I guess…
and the source blend file is attached to this post.
I can’t figure out why this constraint does not work once exported!
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers

David

2024-09-20 at 10:04 am #77497

kdv
Participant

David Duperron wrote:

the pistons “flip” around their contrained axis, trying to maintain the Z-axis up I guess

exactly. that’s normal behavior for this constrain in three/v3d. the Up axis is always directed upwards. that’s why your object rotates at zero angle position.

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2024-09-20 at 12:10 pm #77500

David Duperron
Customer

Ok, so there is no way I can achieve the same behavior as in Blender in V3D/Three using this kind of constraint (because inside Blender this issue does not occur!)?
I’ve got similar results when trying to use a mix of “set object direction” puzzle, and “limit rotation” constraint puzzles.

2024-09-20 at 7:37 pm #77513

kdv
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Avoid vertical zero angle when using the “Track To” constraint…

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2024-09-24 at 7:53 am #77571

David Duperron
Customer

Ok that would of course “solve” this issue, but I’m not controlling the actual design of the equipment I need to replicate, and these cylinders actually DO cross the vertical axis, so I guess I will have to live with this weird flipping ( that goes unnoticed most of the time luckily…).

2024-09-24 at 10:07 am #77573

kdv
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